Trail Conditions

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Click on the trail abbreviation for local map. A "plus" sign (Trail Zone+) means that the trail or road is located in more than one zone. Trail usage; "H" = hiking, "B" = bicycling, "E" = equestrian, "V" = vehicular (does not mean public vehicle access but is indictative of width). PO = poison oak. BCW = Back Country Weekend.

Portion closest to Grand Junction is cleared, middle and farther portions have tall grass partly obscuring the trail.

ABBR	Trail (Zone)	Trail Length	Trail Usage	Report Date	Conditions
AQT	Alquist Trail (Orestimba)	1.65	H E	04/12/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
AZT	Anza Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	2.04	H B E	04/08/23	The trail is clear except for a large dead oak tree across the north end of Anza, about 100 yards south from the Grapevine unction. It will need a crew with several chainsaws. It was on a steep hillside area so there was no easy walk around and it is blocking a wide area because it was so tall. Lower portion of Anza is clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Eliad G.)
BPT	Bass Pond Trail (Western)	0.16	H B E	10/31/21	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Keith F.)
BMPT	Bear Mountain Peak Trail (Interior)	2.97	H B E	06/18/21	No sign at the junction, not well traveled, easy to follow. Shown on current map as broken into 2 separate trails; north and south. Marker post missing name plate at WRR. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Elena V720)
BMR	Bear Mountain Road (Interior)	4.50	H B E V	04/08/23	Open. The creek washed away some of the road along the E. Fork, and part of the road has slipped away on the climb. Some places look too narrow for Jeeps or trucks. A/T tires recommended for vehicles. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Scott F.)
BSR	Bear Spring Road (Interior)	0.98	H B E V	07/31/21	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Elena V720.)
BST	Bear Spring Trail (Interior)	2.3	H B E	08/12/21	Open and clear. Not well traveled but easy to follow. The portion west of Bear Springs is shown but not labeled on current map. Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Art V815)
BIT	Big Berry Trail (Western)	0.1	H B E	03/30/23	Open and clear. This trail is not labeled on the map but runs between CHT and MPR near campsite #9. (Reported by Sue V702)
BHT	Bill's Hill Trail (Phegley)	1.50	H B E	04/01/22	Lots of poison oak growing on the side of the trail on the steep part, leaving little room clear. The ridge portion was confusing, the map and gps track go across the fence, and if even you follow the fence without crossing it, you cannot get to the Hill itself. Trail is obscure through grass on top of Osos Ridge. First ravine crossing has eroded to a point where it is not advisable for equestrians. Excellent views from top. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Gilles B.)
BOST	Black Oak Spring Trail (Blue Ridge)	2.28	H B E	11/26/22	Flagged from Blue Ridge Road down to the spring. Trail is not flagged from the spring to Rock House Ridge. The burned sign pointing to black oak spring on road is gone. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Visitor Esther B.)
BRR	Blue Ridge Road (Blue Ridge)	6.70	H B E V	05/25/23	Open and clear. “Ranger Station” sign at Blue Ridge and Rock House intersection needs updating or removal. Lacks context. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V746)
BTSR	Blue Tank Spring Road (Mahoney)	0.23	H B E V	11/16/22	Open and clear. New sign added today. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Dennis V801)
BTST	Blue Tank SpringTrail (Mahoney)	0.07	H B E	11/19/22	Open and clear. The blue tank and spring are on top of a rock ledge and not visible when approaching from below, until you reach the junction with Blue Tank Spring Road. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Harish V737 and Eric V708)
BDR	Board Spring Road (Interior)	0.28	H B E V	05/23/23	Open and clear. Road is nearly gone in places. Only single track remains near the spring. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Walter V834)
BT	Bowl Trail (Grizzly Gulch+)	2.20	H B E	04/09/23	Open and clear from Wilson Camp to Lyman Wilson Ridge Trail but parts of the trail are a muddy mess. The cows completely stomped out the entire length of trail including the flatter portions of the Lyman Wilson trail. Any sections of bowl trail that were wet or moist now are now peppered with 4” diameter x 3” deep holes, creating an ankle twisting hazard for hikers and a very bumpy ride for cyclists. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
BRT	Brem Spring Trail (Pacheco)	0.03	H B E	07/13/22	Open and clear. No marker post. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Nic S.)
BBT	Burra Burra Trail (Pacheco)	1.17	H B E	04/20/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Jodie V759)
CNT	Canteen Spring Trail (Interior)	0.75	H B E	04/13/21	Open and clear but very obscure from Pacheco Creek to the spring. Watch out for deep pits where the trail crosses the ravine. Text on the spring marker at Pacheco Creek/Dog intersection is so faded it can barely be read. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
CAT	Cattle Duster Trail (Mahoney)	0.60	H B E	11/04/22	Open and clear (narrow single track in spots, but easy to follow. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Dennis V801)
CVR	Caviata Spring Road (Interior)	0.17	H B E V	11/03/20	Open and clear. (Report by Sue V702)
CFR	Center Flats Road (Pacheco+)	4.38	H B E V	04/09/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
CT	Chapparal Trail (Orestimba)	1.72	H E	04/08/23	No indication of the beginning of the trail on county line road. There's still a signpost at the junction with Red Creek Road. It's mostly clear at the bottom, but higher up the brush has really grown since the fire and there's a fair amount of pushing through. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Scott F.)
CHT	China Hole Trail (Western)	4.74	H B E	04/06/23	Open and clear. Brushed quite a ways passed Cougar Trail this date but there is still Buckbrush and Chamise encroaching on the trail below there. (Reported by Sue V702)
CDR	Coit Dam Road (Coit)	0.36	H B E V	03/12/23	2-3 trees down partially blocking the road on Coit Dam Road and Coit Road. People and horses can pass but vehicles would be blocked. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
CDT	Coit Dam Trail (Coit+)	0.92	H B E	12/24/22	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Chris V837)
CKR	Coit Lake Road (Coit)	0.15	H B E V	08/26/22	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
CKT	Coit Lake Trail (Coit)	1.17	H B E	04/07/23	Trail on westside of lake has a tree down near the dam end. Possible Hikers and bikers can get through by crawling through but horses cannot pass. Narrow, and low, may not be good for horses. Other brush might be blocking the trail. Eastside - 2 medium trees down across the trail. One large tree that's gone over into the lake and left a hole in the trail. Passable but with difficulty. Note that lake level was actually above the trail in one place. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Lee V785)
CRT	Coit Ridge Trail (Interior+)	0.86	H B E	04/14/23	Three large pine trees down on the upper section of the trail before it heads downhill. Have to step over or go around.Trail faint at times. The sign at the north end of Coit Lake is badly faded and broken. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
CR	Coit Road (Mahoney+++)	13.72	H B E V	05/30/23	Open and clear. Slide between Wasno and Kelly Cabin Canyon Trail at 37.125378, -121.441963. Lots of bad erosion channels on the road. There is a washed out culvert between Fish and Game Pond and the Coit Lake inlet. (Reported by Sue V702)
CSR	Coit Spring Road (Mahoney)	1.22	H B E V	04/08/23	Open. Medium size tree limb close to the start. Not an issue for hikers, bikes or equestrians but vehicles can't pass. The trail is very muddy in the middle near the intersection with 'Cross Canyon' trail. still passable . (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Eliad G.)
CST	Coit Spring Trail (Mahoney)	0.90	H B E	02/22/23	Open and clear from Cross Canyon Trail to Grapevine Trail. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
COT	Corral Trail (Western)	0.64	H	05/14/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Virginia V820)
CGT	Cougar Trail (Western)	0.78	H B E	05/18/23	Open and clear. Maybe a downed tree just above Middle Fork. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Virginia V820)
CLR	County Line Road (Interior+++)	19.31	H B E V	05/27/23	East side - Open and clear from KAR to Mustang Peak. West side - Open and clear from KAR to Mississippi Lake area. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V746)
CKST	Creekside Trail (Western)	0.56	H B E	03/04/23	Open and clear. Minor mudslides have affected the trail in a couple spots, so careful footing is occasionally required. Hiking poles recommended. Occasional wading in shallow portions of the creek is required. Otherwise, the trail is passable. Middle Fork creek crossing at Poverty Flat is about knee-deep.(Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Harish V737)
CER	Crest Road (Coit+)	0.12	H B E V	05/30/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
CET	Crest Trail (Kelly+)	0.97	H B E	05/30/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
CCT	Cross Canyon Trail (Mahoney)	4.49	H B E	04/23/23	The trail is now cleared from Coit Road down to the creek and some trees along the way towards WRR. There are still 1-2 trees on the trail on the eastern portion of the trail. One more pine trunk across the trail near Milias intersection. The section from Coit Road to Coit Springs Road, is severely rutted in places, needs some drains and bench work.There is a very large oak down approximately midway along the creek portion. To stay out of the creek you need to walk along the trunk for about 15 feet. Also, some benching will be needed on the eastern portion where a steep drainage has washed out much of the trail. This section is passable for hikers and bikers (walking bike) but probably not for equestrians. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
CUT	CullenTrail (Mahoney+)	1.22	H B E	04/08/23	Many overgrown sections and some erosion. It's obvious that it doesn't see lots of traffic, but it's passable. First Creek crossing nearest to Grizzly Gulch Trail completely washed out. But walkable. Marker post at GGT missing label plates. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Eliad G.)
DCT	Deer Camp Trail (Mustang Peak)	1.09	H B E	02/14/22	Easy to see but very overgrown, lots of burned branches to go through.. Marker post at CLR missing label plate for DCT. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Gilles B.)
DXT	Dexter Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	.63	H B E	05/29/23	Open but some significant rutting on the upper portion near Wasno Road. Ride horses and bikes with caution. Also significant rutting on lower Dexter. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
DGT	Dog Trail (Interior)	1.26	H B E	05/23/23	Trail is overgrown with brush. Trail marker at Pacheco Creek/Dog intersection (just north of Canteen) is completely burned. Caution: brush removal on lower portion not done properly and many stumps left 6"~12" high. Tripping and falling hazard. Plates on marker post at PRR burned and hard to read. Some brushing done recently (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Walter V834)
DPT	Domino Pond Trail (Mahoney)	0.32	H B E	11/19/22	Open and clear from Domino Pond to Coit Spring Trail junction. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Harish V737 and Eric V708)
DMT	Dormida Trail (Dormida)	1.33	H B E	05/10/23	Open. Large gray pine fallen on Dormida Trail close to the bottom near Cañada de la Dormida. A social trail goes around the tree. The trail marker at the intersection of Dormida and Vasquez trails shows Vasquez trail going up towards to Vasquez peak, and up towards Center Flat, but does not call out Dormida Trail. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
DYR	Dowdy Ranch Road (Pacheco)	0.18	H B E V	08/11/22	Open and clear. Gate closed until next year. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Nic S.)
DSR	Dowdy Service Road (Pacheco)	0.04	H B E V	04/23/21	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
DFT	Drift Fence Trail (Phegley)	0.81	H B E	06/06/21	Open and clear Wagon Road to Vasquez Road. Over grown and hard to find/follow. Some well traveled game trails seemed like they could be part of the trail, then they cross the fence through the barbed wire. For a bit, could find/follow the remnants of an old road. Not on recent maps but an unmarked post remains where it meets WR. This was the original route to Vasquez Peak. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
DT	Dutch's Trail (Mustang Peak)	3.30	H B E	04/22/23	Open. There are several large trees down (4? Or so) on Dutch’s trail about a half mile north of Yellowjacket pond. These can be walked around with not too much extra effort. Brushing and flagging done this date. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Walter V834)
EPT	Eagle Pines Trail (Interior+)	2.00	H B E	02/06/22	Trail is overgrown with brush for much of its length and is hard to follow. Post at upper end missing label plate. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Peter V811)
EDA	East Dunne Avenue (Western)	0.06	H B E V	03/23/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
EST	Elderberry Springs Trail (Mahoney)	0.71	H B E	04/0823	Four trees down blocking the trail approximately halfway between Jackson Road and Rock Tower trail. Two are smaller but two will require chain saws. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eliad G.)
FPT	Fish Pond Trail (Phegley)	0.12	H B E	04/11/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
FT	Fish Trail (Western)	1.92	H	04/22/23	Several trees or limbs down on the trail. A couple are down long enough that people are redirecting the trail. Most are between Manzanita Pt. Rd. and Little Fork Coyote Creek. A few good patches of Poison Oak that need taming. It's getting difficult to pass without coming into contact with it. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Virginia V820)
FGT	Fish and Game Trail (Coit)	0.35	H B E	12/24/22	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Chris V837)
FFT	Flat Frog Trail (Western)	2.32	H B	03/03/23	There is a Manzanita tree down about at the middle of the trail that will need a chainsaw. There is also a need for some tread work to reestablish a flat bench, mostly along the first 3/4 mile of the trail heading from Frog Lake toward Corral Trail. The trail needs a layer of dirt too. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V780)
FOT	Forest Trail (Western)	1.19	H	05/13/23	Open and clear. Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick H.)
FLT	Frog Lake Trail (Western)	1.03	H	04/21/23	Open and clear to Middle Steer at least. From Little Fork Coyote creek up to the lake, two trees down. Lots of ticks along that section of trail. A section of trail is eroded enough to be narrow and side-sloped at 37.207 N, 121.545 W. Sign post at the junction for the Frog Lake Trail and the Frog Lake Camp, is missing the No Bicycles sign. Path along the west edge of Frog Lake is muddy, falling into the lake in places. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Regis L.)
GMT	George Milias Trail (Mahoney)	0.79	H B E	10/12/22	Open, grasses growing over roadbed but clear end to end. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Dennis V801)
GIT	Gibson Trail (Phegley)	0.56	H B E	10/19/22	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Nick V808)
GR	Grapevine Road (Mahoney)	0.26	H B E V	04/08/23	Open and clear. Deep erosion channel on road near Coit Road. Bikers and equestrians beware. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Eliad G.)
GT	Grapevine Trail (Mahoney)	1.59	H B E	02/22/23	Open and clear. Some rutting hear and there. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
GGR	Grizzly Gulch Road (Grizzly Gulch)	0.62	H B E V	05/26/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
GGT	Grizzly Gulch Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	3.90	H B E	05/29/23	Open and mostly clear. Branches hanging down over the trail at location 37.102844, -121.469503 that will affect equestrians. Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
HT	Hartman Trail (Orestimba)	2.11	H E	04/10/23	Open. One tree down near the summit at 37.12N, 121.24W but can be easily walked around. Trail brushed and flagged this date.. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Laura V745)
HBT	Heartbreak Trail (Mahoney)	1.15	HBE	08/26/22	Open and clear. No trail signs at either end but there are cairns. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
HGT	Heritage Trail (Interior)	1.01	H B E	04/23/23	Open and clear. Trail sign at Pacheco Creek Trail is unreadable. Trail is a little hard to follow on parts of the ridge. On the creek portion, there really is no distinct trail to follow, just choose your own adventure, crossing the small creek several times before getting to the junction with Pacheco Creek Trail. Several hundred yards of benching would be required to bring this section back to something resembling a trail. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
HPT	Hersman Pond Trail (Pacheco)	0.36	H B E	04/20/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Jodie V759)
HR	Hobbs Road (Western+)	5.37	H B E V	04/03/23	Open and clear MPR to Middel Fork. Crossing between 3-4 feet deep. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick H.)
HLT	Hoover Lake Trail (Interior)	0.84	H B E	04/16/23	Open and clear. Marker post at WRR has no plates; no marker post at airstrip end. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
HCR	Horse Camp Road (Interior)	0.35	H B E V	09/01/22	Open and clear. This is the spur road to the Mississippi Horse Camp. (Reported by Sue V702)
HCT	Horse Camp Trail (Interior)	0.59	H B E	09/01/22	Very brushy. Connects the Mississippi Horse Camp to the Mississippi Ridge Trail. Entire trail hard to find. (Reported by Sue V702)
HHR	Hunting Hollow Road (Phegley)	3.19	H B E V	05/16/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Art V815)
JAT	Jackass Trail (Blue Ridge)	1.41	H B E	02/26/23	Open and clear, with some mild chamise encroachment that was easy to push through. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Ben J.)
JLR	Jack Rabbit Lake Road (Mustang Peak)	0.37	H B E V	03/03/21	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Larry V785)
JR	Jackson Road (Mahoney+)	1.37	H B E V	04/14/23	Open and clear from Rock Tower Trail to Wasno Road. After the intersection with Wasno Road, a deep rut on the side of the trail, noticeable erosion and small point release slide. It's still passable. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
JT	Jackson Trail (Mahoney)	1.41	H B E	04/08/23	Open. One big fallen tree in the middle but otherwise clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Eliad G.)
JST	James Spring Trail (Pacheco)	0.11	H B E	02/12/23	Open and clears. Note; horse trough is 50 yards past the water basin buried creekside. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Lynne V831)
JDT	Jim Donnelly Trail (Phegley)	3.10	H B E	04/14/23	Open and clear. Three drains need some rework or armoring. There are several sections with ruts developing that will require treadwork to reestablish the outslope. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
ECN	Jim Donnelly East Connector Trail (Phegley)	1.0	H B E	03/03/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Chris V837)
KAR	Kaiser Aetna Road (Pacheco+++)	12.18	H B E V	04/13/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
KCCT	Kelly Cabin Canyon Trail (Mahoney+)	3.23	H B E	02/22/23	Open. Trail head was blocked by down tree and debris pushed there by the bulldozer: cleared. 12” diameter pine across the trail (about 4’ above the trail) approximately 1/2 - 3/4 mile from Coit Road. 2-3 other large trees blocking the trail. Removed 2-3 other smaller trees and fallen limbs that were blocking the trail. Trail fairly easy to follow due to bike traffic, but in many places the bench needs work. In several places, the trail will be washed out by the creek during storms. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
KLT	Kelly Lake Trail (Kelly+)	2.13	H B E	04/16/23	Open and clear. Portions of East end of KLT are also badly rutted from this winter’s storms and lack of drainage features. Bikers and equestrians should use caution. The last steep part down to the dam though is severely rutted and hard to traverse, especially due to the slope. This trail is in the trails inventory, but not on map, not on web site. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
KPT	Kingbird Pond Trail (Mustang Peak)	0.53	H B E	04/13/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V826)
LT	Laurel Trail (Interior)	0.65	H B E	04/13/21	Signed on both ends but faint to imperceptible as route, invisible as trail. Route-finding required, GPS and cross-country very likely - completely overgrown the woodland, chaparral and meadow. Hunt for evidence of old road cut. Cross-country in this area is do-able in most parts due to impact of the burn clearing out most brush. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Kyle K.)
LNT	Lion Spring Trail (Western)	0.31	H	03/23/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
LLCR	Little Long Canyon Road (Blue Ridge)	1.72	H B E V	05/21/23	Large landslide blocking the road. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by inholder Shannon G.)
LOSR	Live Oak Spring Road (Pacheco)	1.64	H B E V	05/16/23	Open and clear. There is also a mud slide blocking half the road near Live Oak Springs Trail at 37.140833, -121.417222. The trail sign at Wagon Road is faded and broken. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Art V815)
LOST	Live Oak Spring Trail (Pacheco)	0.50	H B E	04/09/23	Open and clear with brush encroaching near the spring. Portion of trail affected by the recent slide is easily passed on the side. No marker post north end at LOSR. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
LOT	Live Oak Trail (Western)	0.41	H B E	03/23/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
LDT	Long Dam Trail (Phegley)	1.14	H B E	02/06/23	Open and clear. Most of the inclined portions of the trail are covered with water and are a muddy mess. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
LRR	Long Ridge Road (Mustang Peak)	4.40	H B E V	12/27/21	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Elena V720)
LSCT	Lost Spring Camp Trail (Western)	0.03	H B E	08/26/21	Open and clear. (Some "stealth" poison oak, which has lost its leaves, sticks out into the trail in spots). Trail marker is intact. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Steve V797)
LST	Lost Spring Trail (Western)	0.93	H B E	02/05/23	Open. Trail has a large pine tree on the north end not far from the road just as it starts to climb. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V780)
LWRT	Lyman Willson Ridge Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	2.60	H B E	04/09/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
MCT	Mack's Corral Trail (Pacheco)	1.30	H B E	04/22/23	Open and clear. Flagged and brushed this date. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Laura V745)
MSST	Madrone Soda Springs Trail (Western)	0.95	H	03/09/23	Open and clear. Madrone Soda Springs Camp Trail (not listed online): Access to the campsite is difficult because creek bank has eroded and there is no ramp or steps. Brushing needed between creek and the campsite.(Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
MMR	Mahoney Meadows Road (Mahoney+)	3.37	H B E V	04/16/23	Open and clear from Poverty Flat Rd. to Los Cruzeros. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Virginia V820)
MPR	Manzanita Point Road (Western)	2.68	H B E V	05/25/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V746)
MCA	McAlister Trail (Interior)	1.36	H B E	05/01/19	Very brushy. Not on current map. (Posted by Paul V708)
MRT	Middle Ridge Trail (Western)	3.66	H B	05/14/23	(West: Between Hobbs Road and Fish Trail). Open and clear. Tread is deeply rutted in some places from use and/or erosion. Needs minor brushing. (East: Between Fish Trail and Poverty Flat.) Needs some brush work. There is a large tree that has lifted at its roots and fallen across the trail. People are redirecting before the fallen tree and creating a future erosion issue. The tree is about 2/3 of the way down the trail.(Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Virginia V820)
MSRT	Middle Steer Ridge Trail (Phegley)	2.05	H B E	03/02/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Alan V844)
MIT	Mile Trail (Western)	1.21	H	03/09/23	Open and clear. Trail signs on the route are badly weathered and only partially readable. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
MKT	Mississippi Creek Trail (Interior)	2.39	H B E	02/14/22	Open but grasses obscure much of the route. Middle half narrow in places, not advisable for bikes or horses. Not shown on current map. No marker posts. (Posted by Sue as reported by visitor Gilles B.)
MDR	Mississippi Dam Road (Mississippi)	0.53	H B E V	04/13/23	Open and clear. Shown on current map but not labeled. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V826)
MLT	Mississippi Lake Trail (Mississippi)	0.89	H B E	04/30/23	Open. Overgrowth is very thick. Needs major brushing. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Ted M.)
MGR	Mississippi Ridge Road (Interior)	0.06	H B E V	02/14/22	Open but very brushy. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Gilles B.)
MGT	Mississippi Ridge Trail (Interior)	2.88	H B E	02/14/22	Open but very brushy. No marker posts at south end or at intersection with MKT. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Gilles B.)
MT	Monument Trail (Western)	0.50	H	03/23/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
MSR	Mount Sizer Road (Blue Ridge)	0.01	H B E V	02/13/20	Open and clear. (Report by Paul V708)
MST	Mount Stakes Trail (Orestimba)	4.40	H E	03/20/22	Passable, difficult sections: Found a fallen trail post near junction with red creek road. Beginning of the mount stakes road is not obvious, one need to look up the hill for road cut. Once on mount stakes trail, couple of slides and some dense chamise growth makes the start difficult. As one hikes up, many fallen trees block the road. Spectacular wildflowers display. Once at the top, the trail post shows the the turn to pinto creek, sign is attached by one nail. Mount stakes trail down to Pinto Creek passable to difficult. The trail is very faint at the beginning and quickly disappears. The route follows the ridge top and is passable thanks to the fire. The right side was burned, and once you stay away from the non-burned chamise, you eventually made it down to Pinto Creek near the waterfall. I found remains of the trail post, melted into chunks of aluminum. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Elena V720)
MDT	Mudd Spring Trail (Interior)	1.14	H B E	02/14/22	Eastern end open and clear, western portion - no more trail whatsoever (nice posts though!) (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Gilles B.). Note: Not on current map.
MYT	Murphy Trail (Orestimba)	1.82	H E	06/26/15	Park visitor Hartmut W reports "trail is visible in the top area, but disappears completely in the lower area. Some parts are heavy overgrown and are covered with fallen trees, which require some effort to get around. (Posted by Paul V708)
MCO	Mustang Cut-Off Trail (Mustang Peak)	0.52	H B E	04/10/23	A bathtub sized sinkhole partially blocking trail about 200 yards up from Orestimba Creek Road. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Laura V745)
MPT(N)	Mustang Pond Trail North (Mustang Peak)	0.53	H B E	04/10/23	Open and clear. From Mustang Pond, there are several creek crossing required, sometimes the trail is impassable requiring hiking up the hill and back down. There are usable game trails running parallel to the creek. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Gilles B.) Note: Landlocked for bicycles due to posted closure of OCR.
MPT(S)	Mustang Pond Trail South (Mustang Peak)	0.48	H B E	04/10/23	Open and clear. Flagged this date. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Laura V745) Note: Landlocked for bicycles due to posted closure of OCR.
NT	Narrows Trail (Western+)	2.57	H B E	05/25/23	Open and clear. The hike through the Narrows is a lot of fun right now. Expect to get your feet wet and enjoy. A little bit of scrambling to pass some of the deeper areas of water. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Mark L.)
NN 019	No Name 019 Trail (Interior)	0.3	H B E	05/31/19	Open and clear. This trail runs from Bear Mountain Peak Trail east and north to Bear Springs Road. Shown on current map but not labeled. (Reported by Paul V708)
NN 020	No Name 020 Trail (Mississippi)	0.4	H B E	05/31/19	Open and clear. This trail runs from Bear Mountain Peak Trail east to Willow Ridge Road near the north end of Mississippi Lake. Shown on current map but not labeled. (Reported by Paul V708)
NFT	North Fork Trail (Pacheco)	1.15	H B E	04/11/23	Open and clear. With the current state of flow of Pacheco Creek, there are many creek crossings necessary through knee-deep water. Creek crossing points are often unclear. Metal posts sporadically mark creek crossings. The first metal post denoting the start of the North Fork Trail at Mack's Corral is, like all others, unmarked. There is one point where the trail is currently underwater. The ridge portions of the trail are sometimes overgrown and difficult to follow. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
OCR	Orestimba Creek Road (Orestimba+)	9.22	H B E V	05/28/23	Open and clear. High clearance with good tires required at this time.(Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.) Note: Portions north of OCT closed to bicycle traffic.
OCT	Orestimba Creek Trail (Mustang Peak)	1.89	H B E	04/13/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V826) Note: seasonal bicycle closure during BCW.
ORT	Osos Ridge Trail (Phegley)	2.14	H B E	01/01/20	Not on current map. Upper portion open and clear but encroached on by ranching fences. Lower portion heavily brushed. No marker posts either end at BHT or WCCT. (Posted by Paul V708)
PCT	Pacheco Creek Trail (Interior)	4.13	H B E	05/26/23	Open and clear from Heritage Trail to Pacheco Camp The beginning of the trail at Pacheco Camp is missing a marking post. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Mark L.)
PFOT	Pacheco Falls Overlook Trail (Pacheco)	0.05	H B E	12/15/19	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Mike V806)
PFT	Pacheco Falls Trail (Pacheco)	0.91	H B E	04/13/23	There is a fallen gray pine partly blocking the trail partway down. There is a fallen gray pine significantly blocking the final access to Pacheco Falls at the very bottom of the trail. There is also a lot of poison oak in this area that makes it difficult to access the pool at the bottom. Also, some significant rutting. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
PRR	Pacheco Ridge Road (Interior+)	7.09	H B E V	04/11/23	Open and clear from Coit to KAR to Coit Road at least. A few yards past where the road ascends from Brem Horse Camp, a sharp rise of about 1 foot may be difficult for vehicles. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
PLR	Paradise Lake Road (Orestimba)	0.30	H E V	06/01/19	Open and clear. (Posted by Paul V708)
PHR	Phegley Ridge Road (Phegley)	1.69	H B E V	02/06/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
PHT	Phegley Ridge Trail (Phegley)	0.65	H B E	02/06/23	Open and clear. Marker post at HHR mistakenly labels it as Phegley Ridge Road. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
PLT	Phoneline Trail (Interior+)	0.45	H B E	02/14/22	Open and clear. West portion not on the map but old road easy to follow but brushy. Note: No marker posts either end. Cairn at intersection of PRR. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Gilles B.)
PIT	Pinto Creek Trail (Orestimba)	2.30	H E	03/21/22	Pinto creek trail to Robison creek: passable, difficult: The area was burned in fire, and that made following the route much easier. There are still many eroded sections, lots of fallen trees to go over or under, steep creek sides at crossings, but still much better than I encountered 6 years ago. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Elena V720)
PT	Ponderosa Trail (Western)	1.88	H	03/23/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
PFR	Poverty Flat Road (Western)	4.14	H B E V	05/25/23	Open and clear. The road is washing away at the culvert above Poverty Flat at location 37.1791583, -121.4974972. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V746)
PPT	Purple Pond Trail (Mustang Peak)	0.76	H B E	04/29/23	Open. A large slide adjacent to the trail just south of the dam exposes one to an 8 foot near vertical drop. The trail here is off-camber and on a side slope, so caution should be taken. Clear except for a couple of downed trees on the upper to mid portion of the trail. From Dutch's Trail to Purple Pond itself, the trail winds through torched chaparral. Indistinct, narrow and off-camber between the pond and where it meets Dutch's Trail to the south. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
RST	Rabbit Spring Trail (Western)	0.21	H B E	03/30/23	Open and clearl. (Reported by Sue V702)
RSR	Rat Spring Road (Interior)	0.9	H B E V	05/30/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
RST	Rat Spring Trail (Interior)	0.1	H B E	05/26/23	The top portion of the trail was brushed down to the spring spur trail. Overgrown and faint with lots of encroaching deerweed and chamise. Burnt chaparral everywhere. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Mark L.)
RNT	Rattlesnake Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	0.40	H B E	04/13/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
RVT	Raven Pond Trail (Mustang Peak)	0.44	H B E	02/14/22	Open but very brushy at the top, hard to get through, then fine. Vague trail at best, but easy to follow, more flagging needed. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Gilles B.)
RCR	Red Creek Road (Orestimba)	10.46	H E V	04/10/23	From Orestimba Creek to Mt Stakes junction April 10-11: trail mostly clear until about a mile before Mt. Stakes junction, at which point there were many down trees and significant brush, but passable without too much trouble. There was significant cow and pig damage the entire length, often making the footing awkward for humans. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor John K.)
RET	Redfern Trail (Phegley)	1.49	H B E	07/02/22	Open and clear. Some sections of the trail barely visible, obscured by grass. Sign installed on HHR. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Harish R.)
RT	Ridge Trail (Interior)	0.58	H B E	01/28/15	Open and clear. Not shown on current map. No marker posts either end; small cairn at PRR. (Posted by Paul V708)
RVR	Ridgeview Road (Western)	0.07	H B E V	02/01/20	Open and clear. (Posted by Paul V708)
RBT	Robison Creek Trail (Orestimba)	5.59	H E	05/27/23	The trail was obviously in pretty rough shape and I know it's not maintained, but there were two things I wanted to flag. First, on top of one of the hills at the west end of the valley the scrub (coyote bush etc) is starting to get very thick. Possible to move through now, but at some point it may get too thick to be passable. Second, the turn where the trail comes down from those hills and meets Robison Creek itself is extremely hard to find if you are coming at it from the east. There is a huge gash in the trail that is easy to skirt around but makes it very easy to miss this turn. Anyway, this was a slot where a couple plastic trail flags would be very useful. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
RMT	Robison Mountain Trail (Orestimba)	2.62	H E	08/25/18	Park visitor Hartmut W reports "for the most part it's clear; a few parts are overgrown, but easy to get around. The trail is not visible in most parts, but the old trail followed the ridge line and is more obvious looking from the top down. No sign exists at the junction with the Rooster Comb Trail. At the top, after the junction with Murphy Trail, the trail becomes heavy overgrown with dense brush and impassable, until finding a way around the brushy area." (Posted by Paul V708)
RHRT	Rock House Ridge Trail (Blue Ridge)	2.75	H B E	11/26/22	Was easy to follow all the way down to Coyote Creek/Blue Ridge Road from Hat Rock. Trail from Hat Rock south for approximately 3/4 mile is almost completely closed in with brush. Passable by pushing through, but in another season or two, it will be almost impassible. Needs a Sweco or other tractor with the mower attachment to obliterate a 6-8’ wide path and really beat it back, given how quickly it re-grows. Park boundary signs not posted. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Visitor Esther B.)
RTT	Rock Tower Trail (Mahoney+)	1.47	H B E	04/14/23	Open and clear from Jackson Road to Grizzly Gulch Trail at least. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
RCST	Rooster Comb Summit Trail (Orestimba)	4.84	H E	04/26/22	The trail is not difficult to follow if you know where you are going, it simply needs hikers! The trail is clear from the intersection of RCT to the summit but not beyond. There might be trees down beyond the summit. The report previsouly said 8 trees blocking the trail, one every 1/4 mile or so. The biggest is about 8 inch. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Elena V720) Note: Only lower 1.4 miles is shown on map.
RCT	Rooster Comb Trail (Orestimba+)	3.16	H E	05/27/23	The trail is open and mosty clear from the creekbed near Rooster Comb Ranch all the way to the Orestimba Creek Road north of Rooster Comb Ranch. Could use more flagging. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
RDT	Rose Dam Trail (Interior)	0.90	H B E	09/21/22	Open and clear. Marker posts missing label plates. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Ted M.)
ROT	Rose Spring Trail (Interior)	0.25	H B E	09/26/19	Open and clear. Rose Spring is hard to find. It's below a very large manzanita growing on the north bank where the trail runs on the south bank. (Reported by Paul V708)
SST	Sada's Spring Trail (Western)	0.06	H B E	04/23/23	Open. Fifty feet to the spring , two trees down, trail is sliding down the hill, non existent. Needs tread work. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Regis L.)
SCT	Schafer Corral Trail (Blue Ridge)	0.35	H B E	05/25/23	Open and clear. Missing sign at Narrows Trail. Easy to follow due to frequent foot traffic. Sign on Poverty Flat Road is there but not standing. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V746)
SHT	Scherrer Trail (Pacheco)	1.18	H B E	04/20/23	Open and clear. No marker post to indicate spur to Scherrer Pond. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Jodie V759)
ST	Serpentine Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	0.90	H B E	05/26/23	Open. A couple downed trees on, but possible to go around/climb over. Rutting is worse than in February. Folks hiking and riding to one side of the ruts is widening the trail. There are significant ruts in the middle of the tread due to erosion from recent rains; mostly on lower third of the trail. Dangerous for Horses and bikes. Really needs trail work to divert water off to side of trail to prevent further erosion. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
SOT	Seven Oaks Trail (Pacheco)	0.07	H B E	02/18/20	Open and clear. (Report by Paul V708)
SVT	Sierra View Trail (Western)	0.14	H B E	04/23/23	Clear but overgrown with grass. Some water erosion midway along trail. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Maciek V804)
SMR	Skeel's Meadow Road (Western)	0.32	H B E	07/02/22	Open and clear although there is a young that has grown in an arc across the road, It is easy to walk over it. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Virginia V820)
SNT	Snake Trail (Pacheco)	0.13	H B E	04/09/23	Open and clear with the exception of a low hanging oak branch that would stop equestrians (no easy detour since it is near a steep side slope). Not marked and not on current map. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
SJST	Spike Jones Spring Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	0.18	H B E	05/29/22	Obscure, first half of trail difficult to fine if it weren’t for the flags. Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
SJT	Spike Jones Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	2.25	H B E	03/02/23	Open and clear. Jump removed this date. (Reported by Sue V702)
SPT	Springs Trail (Western)	1.31	H	03/23/23	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
SRR	Steer Ridge Road (Grizzly Gulch+)	3.05	H B E V	05/26/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
SRT	Steer Ridge Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	1.38	H B E	05/26/23	Open and clear. There is also a serious rut on the trail down near Hunting Hollow Road. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
TDT	Tie Down Trail (Mustang Peak+)	3.73	H B E	04/15/23	Open. This trail is in pretty good shape. There are a few trees down on this trail. The first and largest is about a half mile north of the Yellowjacket trail junction. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Walter V834)
TSTT	Timm Spring Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	0.10	H B E	03/02/23	Open and clear. Trail not on current map. (Reported by Sue V702)
TT	Timm Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	1.00	H B E	05/13/23	Open. There is a tree down in the middle of the Timm Trail. A little bit of chainsaw work is needed. Trail has been realigned and will be updated on the next map version. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Ross F.)
TUT	Tule Pond Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	0.62	H B E	04/14/23	Open. Large dead oak down on the trail just 25 feet from Wasno Road. There is a second fallen tree blocking the trail further down, going towards Grizzly Gulch. Because this trail is steep, in many places it becomes a narrow “drainage gully”. Could use significant bench work and drains. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
TPT	Turkey Pond Trail (Interior)	0.83	H B E	04/29/23	Open and clear. No marker post at spur trail to Turkey Pond. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
TOCT	Two Oaks Camp Trail (Western)	0.00	H B E	10/22/22	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Steve V797)
UCT	Upper Camp Trail (Western)	0.49	H B E	07/02/22	Open, clear, and easy to follow to Upper Camp.The sign post has been knocked down and is leaning against a large rock at the junction. Large deadfall and hill-slides prevented hiking all the way to Mexican Flat. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Virginia V820)
ULT	Upper Loop Trail (Pacheco)	0.00	H B E	10/01/19	Open past picnic tables; blocked by brush west end. (Reported by Paul V708)
VVT	Valley View Trail (Western)	0.35	H B E	12/20/20	Open and clear. Shown on current map but not labeled. Landlocked for bicycles due to closure on PT. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
VZR	Vasquez Road (Phegley+)	3.42	H B E V	04/10/23	Fallen tree close to the bottom of Vasquez Road, near Cañada de la Dormida; otherwise, the trail is open and clear.(Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Eric V708 and Harish V737)
VZT	Vasquez Trail (Dormida)	1.63	H B E	02/08/23	Open and Clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Art V815)
WGR	Wagon Road (Phegley++)	8.84	H B E V	05/27/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
WT	Walsh Trail (Pacheco)	1.18	H B E	03/15/22	Open and clear. Reflagged this date. (Reported by Sue V702)
WPLT	Walsh Peak Loop Trail (Pacheco)	2.9	H B E	04/18/23	Open and clear. Goes from CLR to KAR with a spur trail to Walsh Peak. Name will be changed to "Winslow Briggs Trail" on future map editions. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V826)
WSR	Wasno Road (Grizzly Gulch++)	2.72	H B E V	05/28/23	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Martin W.)
WHR	Water Gulch Road (Blue Ridge)	0.00	H B E V	01/28/15	Unknown. (Posted by Paul V708)
WTT	Water Tank Trail (Pacheco)	0.33	H B E V	02/18/20	Open and clear. (Report by Paul V708)
WTSR(E)	White Tank Spring Road-East (Pacheco)	0.08	H B E V	05/30/23	Open and clear. High grass in the road.(Reported by Sue V702}
WTSR(W)	White Tank Spring Road-West (Interior)	0.20	H B E V	05/30/23	Open and clear. Bushes are starting to encroach. (Reported by Sue V702)
WST	White Tank Spring Trail (Interior+)	1.82	H B E	11/30/21	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by John V746)
WRCT	Willow Ridge Camp Trail (Western)	0.15	H B E	05/26/23	Open and mostly clear. A bit overgrown but nothing un-passable. Poison oak is all about it and the spring, so hiker beware. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Mark L.)
WRR	Willow Ridge Road (Interior+++)	9.78	H B E V	05/30/23	Open and clear. Could use a grader in spots.(Reported by Sue V702)
WRT	Willow Ridge Trail (Western)	1.56	H B E	05/26/23	Open, but in need of brushing in many places. Tree down on the trail but you can get by it. Some moderate rutting in the open slope steeper portions of trail. Lots of pig damage and rutting. No signage on East Fork end. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Mark L.)
WPT	Willson Peak Trail (Grizzly Gulch)	1.07	H B E	12/17/22	Open and clear. Because this trail is steep, in many places it becomes a narrow “drainage gully”. There is serious hydraulic trenching on the last 300’ or so. Needs a reroute probably. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Chris V837)
WCCT	Wood Cutter's Canyon Trail (Phegley)	0.36	H B E	03/07/23	Open and clear. Some small branches down but they can be easily walked over. The last 300 feet of trail towards the pond has a stream running down it from the pond overflow. (Reported by Sue V702)
WR	Woodchopper Road (Mahoney)	0.04	H B E V	04/07/22	Open and clear. (Reported by Sue V702)
WKT	Woodpecker Trail (Mustang Peak)	0.65	H B E	04/29/23	Open and clear, the easternmost trail sign on County Line road is leaning over quite a bit. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by visitor Bob S.)
YJT	Yellowjacket Trail (Mustang Peak)	0.61	H B E	04/20/23	Open and clear except for some thistle on the trail. Relatively easy to follow, due to tracks in grass. Uneven surface north of the pond. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by Rick V701)
YBT	Yerba Buena Trail (Western)	0.08	H B E	11/04/20	Open and clear. (Posted by Sue V702 as reported by S. Ferry)
YMT	Yes More Trails (+++)	0.00	H B E	01/01/01	Sample for HTML. (Posted by Paul V708)